tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post1443312917538946388..comments2023-10-26T15:06:30.940+00:00Comments on AIMeD Corporation: No Barcelona in 2007Roborat, Ph.Dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04845879517177508741noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-68224651812015291612007-06-13T21:36:00.000+00:002007-06-13T21:36:00.000+00:00"wow, the last AMD hopeful... we don't see a lot o..."wow, the last AMD hopeful... we don't see a lot of your kind around anymore."<BR/><BR/>I could be wrong but the comment could be sarcasm?<BR/><BR/>I propose choices<BR/><BR/>G) AMD's designs are so advanced that today's SW can take advantge of them. Just buy it now as it will be "future-proofed" <BR/>H) Bad SW compiling (another AMD fanboy fav)<BR/><BR/>Was it PGI? Was it? That AIN'T FAIR, WRONG COMPILER, WRONG COMPILER!.... sorry I was channeling there...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-48235405431626818372007-06-13T13:50:00.000+00:002007-06-13T13:50:00.000+00:00yomamafor2 said... Actually..F) Intel copied us bi...<I>yomamafor2 said... <BR/>Actually..<BR/>F) Intel copied us big time, so we're going to post some deceptive benchmarks to trick Intel into believing we're weak, so Intel won't have enough time to prepare for Barcelona's major fragging. </I><BR/>wow, the last AMD hopeful... we don't see a lot of your kind around anymore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-30927036375481445312007-06-13T11:21:00.000+00:002007-06-13T11:21:00.000+00:00Actually..F) Intel copied us big time, so we're go...Actually..<BR/>F) Intel copied us big time, so we're going to post some deceptive benchmarks to trick Intel into believing we're weak, so Intel won't have enough time to prepare for Barcelona's major fragging.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10522233824117722656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-70030365439400518062007-06-13T06:24:00.000+00:002007-06-13T06:24:00.000+00:00In other news.......http://www.tomshardware.com/20...In other news.......<BR/><BR/>http://www.tomshardware.com<BR/>/2007/06/12/vigor_force_recon_qx4<BR/>/index.html<BR/><BR/>AMD's 4x4 with dual FX-74 space heaters gets fragged in and out by a Dell XPS720 equipped with a QX6800.<BR/><BR/>Games,<BR/>http://tinyurl.com/2myrs2<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/3xaszn<BR/><BR/>Fragged by 67%<BR/><BR/>Audio,<BR/>http://tinyurl.com/2r88pc<BR/><BR/>Fragged by average 57%<BR/><BR/>Video,<BR/>http://tinyurl.com/2jukud<BR/><BR/>Fragged by average 57%<BR/><BR/>Their conclusion,<BR/>"Vigor Gaming's Force Recon QX4 won a single benchmark, PC Mark 2005's hard drive test."<BR/><BR/>Hardly a relevant benchmark and it was a very close call. On average the quadfather gets a whooping of 54% in all the benchmarks collectively.....<BR/><BR/>Which excuse will it be today.....<BR/><BR/>A) improper benchmarks.....<BR/>B) numa aware OS(scientia's favorite)......<BR/>C) improper system config......<BR/>D) old arch versus new arch.......<BR/>E) intel paid pumper site.....Ahmar Abbasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07264545041674636275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-16429818981436046122007-06-13T05:11:00.000+00:002007-06-13T05:11:00.000+00:00The "UPDATE #2" is nice. Here's a brief summary ov...The "UPDATE #2" is nice. Here's a brief summary over what happened:<BR/><BR/>November 2006, Nvidia launches Geforce 8800. Hard launch, immediate availability.<BR/><BR/>People wonder when R600 will be launched. <BR/><BR/>In January Henri Richard tells people (at the earnings announcement) that R600 will launch in Q1'07.<BR/><BR/>Q1'07 ends, Q2'07 rolls on. No R600. David Orton says that R600 was done but they were waiting a few weeks to launch the whole product line at once. <BR/><BR/>In April Henri Richard claims "We don't do soft launches!".<BR/><BR/>Then, in May, AMD finally launches R600. But you can only buy the HD2900XT! <BR/><BR/>Now AMD announces that they have shipped the boards to their partners. It'll still be weeks before you can buy one though. <BR/><BR/>Meanwhile Nvidia did a hard launch of both the 8800 and 85/8600 series and will hard launch the 8400 series this month.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04674699447174785970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-68775823106720937362007-06-13T03:37:00.000+00:002007-06-13T03:37:00.000+00:00it will take a K10 more like 2.8Ghz to match a 3.3...<I>it will take a K10 more like 2.8Ghz to match a 3.33Ghz Penryn.</I><BR/><BR/>And where is your evidence to back this up Scientia?<BR/><BR/>Using what we know so far,<BR/><BR/>http://www.dailytech.com<BR/>/Quick+and+Dirty+AMD+K10+Cinebench<BR/>/article7574.htm<BR/><BR/><I>Cinebench completed the default benchmark in 27 seconds for the 1.6 GHz K10; 17 seconds for the Intel Xeon X3220. The Kentsfield Xeon was 58% faster with a 50% higher clock frequency for Cinebench.</I><BR/><BR/>So simplified, assuming the Cinebench is correct, a 2.4GHz K10 would be the equivalent of a 2.3 GHz Kentsfield.<BR/><BR/>This much more accurate than Scientia's "estimated" (or should I say random) guess.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-73875791149566122007-06-13T03:17:00.000+00:002007-06-13T03:17:00.000+00:00I love how Scientia pulls out random numbers.<I>I love how Scientia pulls out random numbers.</I><BR/><BR/><333Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-60661094317289173072007-06-13T03:06:00.000+00:002007-06-13T03:06:00.000+00:00http://scientiasblog.blogspot.com/The Eye Of The S...http://scientiasblog.blogspot.com/<BR/><BR/>The Eye Of The Storm<BR/><BR/>"<I>Back in January, Randy Allen at AMD stated that K10 would be 40% faster than Intel's best Clovertown</I>"<BR/><BR/>We all know what happened to that story.<BR/><BR/>"<I>it will take a K10 more like 2.8Ghz to match a 3.33Ghz Penryn.</I>"<BR/><BR/>I love how Scientia pulls out random numbers. <BR/><BR/>I'm guessing you gave AMD too much credit (i.e. 2.5GHz K10 has 40% performance advantage over 2.66GHz Clovertown). I love how you're just making up random numbers to sound unbiased.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-33185927629143150402007-06-13T01:36:00.000+00:002007-06-13T01:36:00.000+00:00And the whip comes down.http://www.xbitlabs.com/ne...And the whip comes down.<BR/><BR/><BR/>http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20070610234912.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-13421179573933005722007-06-13T00:48:00.000+00:002007-06-13T00:48:00.000+00:00"The demand curve for Quad Core kicked off 6 month..."The demand curve for Quad Core kicked off 6 months ago when Intel released Kentsfield and Woodcrest. AMD has paid a heavy price in server market share by having nothing to compete in this space when the high end demand shifted to Quad Core."<BR/><BR/><BR/>I think this point also indirectly points out the non-trivial nature of an MCM approach. There were many fans (including Sharikook) that said well AMD should just slap together their own MCM with 2 K8's if they wanted to. Intel had experience on this (even prior to the P4 MCM days...) and while they bad mouth it as a glue job there is actually a bit more to it than that.<BR/><BR/>If it was so straightforward don't you think AMD would have done it to hold things over until K10? Especially as this would give them early learning as they indicated they will pursue this in the future.<BR/><BR/>With IMC, the MCM is not a quick "glue-job", if AMD (presumably) kept the same socket they would have to figure out how to handle memory requests between the 2 cores. While this can be engineered it is not a slap it together in a couple of months type effort. So while AMD was bad mouthing Intel's non-native quad design, I think they are clearly regretting it (didn't some AMD director say something like this in an interview?)<BR/><BR/>Just think how much better off AMD would be if they had a K8 MCM, were able to release the K10 dual cores (which shouldn't have near the issues of the quad parts), and then let those hold them over while they debug/fix the native quad design. And if yield and /or clockspeed turned out abysmally on quad, they could even shelf the design until 45nm...<BR/><BR/>By putting quad first (which in all fairness they almost had to do as Intel was eating their lunch in this space) they are holding back dual core K10's and a desktop refresh which is only compounding their problems... I would not be terribly surprised to see AMD rethink the K10 launch timing and start cranking out some dual core server/desktop parts while they work on the quads. The only problem is that AMD has been touting native quad so much this will be a pit oo a PR hit short term.<BR/><BR/>Either way the common theme is someone in management should roll for the lack of contingency planning... Can anyone else see the mgmt discussions:<BR/><BR/>OK, so we're going to acquire ATI by taking on debt and potentially take on more debt later (to the tune of 2Bil) to fund expansion and we will get all this back by delivering this killer K10 product. <BR/><BR/>In fact we will bank on this so much we will slash K8 pricing to get market share (at the cost of profitability and margins) so when K10 comes out we will be able to then just switch this market share over to a higher priced killer product and totally squash Intel!<BR/><BR/>Lone engineer: Err... we don;t really have functional Si yet, what happens if something goes wrong or if the product gets delayed due to technical issues.<BR/><BR/>(Laughter ensues) <BR/><BR/>Hey who's writing the native quad core for dummies book!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-60582661066594750372007-06-12T22:02:00.000+00:002007-06-12T22:02:00.000+00:00You should consider linking overclockers.com. Good...You should consider linking overclockers.com. Good stuff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-72801507173790577052007-06-12T16:53:00.000+00:002007-06-12T16:53:00.000+00:00http://www.hardspell.com/english/doc/showcont.asp?...http://www.hardspell.com/english/doc/showcont.asp?news_id=785<BR/><BR/>Why bother supporting a dying platform?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-64840660919904376952007-06-12T08:00:00.000+00:002007-06-12T08:00:00.000+00:00"AMD Fellow employee resumes are making the rounds..."AMD Fellow employee resumes are making the rounds and ex ATIers are fleeing to NVDA and Intel."<BR/><BR/>One corroborating data point<BR/><BR/>http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40257<BR/><BR/><B>Nvidia is finishing its complete triumph over results of internal AMD-ATI struggle, which is resulting in many of ATI people leaving or being forced to leave.</B><BR/><BR/>In response to<BR/><BR/>"lack of a quad would have virtually no impact in mobile space and mnimal impact in desktop space."<BR/><BR/>AMD needs the higher ASPs that it could presumably charge for the quads to offset the prices it will charge for duals. You can argue that they would make the diff in volumes but that is predicated on how much they can charge and with Intel price cuts to the bone to put pressure on AMD it really boggles the mind how AMD will make a decent profit out of this. Wal-Mart and the low end will just not be enough to carry them forward.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-87185903266943517922007-06-12T06:22:00.000+00:002007-06-12T06:22:00.000+00:00"Barcelona is AMD's Itanic"Come on folks, I like t..."Barcelona is AMD's Itanic"<BR/><BR/>Come on folks, I like to bash AMD as much as the next person, but at worst (if/when AMD addresses clockspeed and/or yield issues) it will be a K8 with better power. Granted this is not exactly AMD's aspiration for K10 but it will be (somewhat) competitive especially in dual core space- I can't see these having the same yield/clockspeed issues as quad unless there is a monster design issue. Yes this case would really hurt in server space but lack of a quad would have virtually no impact in mobile space and mnimal impact in desktop space. <BR/><BR/>If quad turns out to be non-viable AMD could also try to swallow some pride and "glue" (MCM) the dual cores... not sure about how fast this could be slapped together given IMC complications, though. Or they could just wait to 45nm like Intel. Either backup plan is not an attractive one, but I can't see a scenario where AMD gives up on K10 short of AMD going belly-up, it's just a question of how painful it will be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-50102375177140287792007-06-12T02:14:00.000+00:002007-06-12T02:14:00.000+00:00There are really two issues here1) The Q4 disaster...There are really two issues here<BR/><BR/>1) The Q4 disaster where AMD oversupplied parts that no one in the end wanted - it's plausible that this was indeed a blip; however, the real issue is with<BR/><BR/>2) K10's revenue implications [or lack thereof] (meaning Q2 through Q4 and beyond). With AMD having to be forced to cut prices ahead of Intel's scheduled July price cuts, it just does not seem as if there is much hope for increased margin revenue from K10 SKUs (when I say K10 I mean Server and Desktop variants).<BR/><BR/>What's AMD to do? AMD does not do 'soft launches' according to Henri, so what do you do instead of a 'soft launch'? Well, I guess you delay it or launch sans features. Oh wait: didn't they just do that on the GFX side?<BR/><BR/>AMD earnings warning window is less than 3 weeks away.<BR/><BR/>AMD Fellow employee resumes are making the rounds and ex ATIers are fleeing to NVDA and Intel.<BR/><BR/>Barcelona is AMD's ItanicAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-80213049531548977352007-06-11T23:50:00.000+00:002007-06-11T23:50:00.000+00:00"Someone please make Scientia come out of his self..."Someone please make Scientia come out of his self-imposed exile in denial<BR/><BR/>Don't worry about him. He'll come around."<BR/><BR/>Come on - he's still of the opinion that the share loss is nothing more than temporary (only 1 quarter doesn't count?).<BR/><BR/>This is also the same person that ASSUMED when Intel started picking up market share last year (think it was Q3) and Via shrank by 2-3% , it was simply Intel picking up Via's market - he failed to even examine the possibility that it was AMD picking up Via's share and the first sign of Intel starting to eat into AMD's higher end...<BR/><BR/>Though hindsight is 20/20 which theory regarding where Via's market share went now seems more plausible?<BR/><BR/>It is Scientia's recent refusal to accept any plausible explanation other than the one that puts AMD in the best possible light, which tells me he is slowly degenerating into Sharikou territory (I said into not AT).<BR/><BR/>The newest one is Abinstein - have you read his blog... he seems to have a decent background on architecture, but his latest analysis on yield and capacity is utterly laughable. He calculates AMD must have effectively double the yield of Intel due to his capacity analysis as he estimates Intel has an 8:1 capacity advantage (which he then drops to only 50% better in case some of his assumptions are bad). Of course the 8:1 ratio is based on his inability to even consider fab size as a variable, real 90mn to 65nm scaling, aggregate die size, dual core/single core mix to name just a few things....<BR/><BR/>If you read the comments his knowledge of capacity, yield, and market are hilarious! (Just don;t question his "conclusion"!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-81166138628179388152007-06-11T20:31:00.000+00:002007-06-11T20:31:00.000+00:00Someone please make Scientia come out of his self-...<I> Someone please make Scientia come out of his self-imposed exile in denial </I><BR/><BR/>Don't worry about him. He'll come around. It's just that he's a bit slow to catch on. It took him up until May 2007 to post his 2007 AMD Outlook to predict that AMD is indeed in trouble. Nevermind that he furiously debated us about it late last year. "AMD in better position in 2007" - yeah right.<BR/><BR/>But i'm not the sort that gloats. lol ;pRoborat, Ph.Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04845879517177508741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-37208145669985674402007-06-11T15:19:00.000+00:002007-06-11T15:19:00.000+00:00Not to be outdone by Anandtech, here's overclocker...Not to be outdone by Anandtech, here's overclocker's assessment<BR/><BR/>AMD: the next Cyrix?<BR/><BR/>http://www.overclockers.com/tips01165/<BR/><BR/>Someone please make Scientia come out of his self-imposed exile in denialAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-72471634071112448362007-06-11T10:24:00.000+00:002007-06-11T10:24:00.000+00:00http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i...http://www.anandtech.com<BR/>/tradeshows<BR/>/showdoc.aspx?i=3006&p=1<BR/><BR/>"<I>In the end, performance was absolutely terrible. We're beginning to understand why AMD didn't let us test Barcelona last month. It's not that AMD is waiting to surprise Intel; it's that the platform just isn't ready</I>"<BR/><BR/>"<I>None of the partners we talked to are really impressed with Barcelona</I>"<BR/><BR/>"<I>Continuing on the worst case scenario track, some partners don't expect to see 2.3 - 2.4GHz until Q2 next year</I>"<BR/><BR/>"<I>For all of us who have been crying for Barcelona benchmarks, you really don't want to see them</I>"<BR/><BR/>This sums it up. Scaling is terrible, performance is terrible, heck, it's not even ready yet. AMD expects to launch this next month at 1.4-1.6GHz(forget the promised 2.3-2.6GHz launch)? Intel doesn't even need Penryn, K10 has already been pre-fragged by Clovertown. By the time AMD scales K10 to 2.6GHz, Intel will have Nehalem out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-35740253472855264562007-06-10T20:58:00.000+00:002007-06-10T20:58:00.000+00:00"There will be more to come." Your damned straight..."There will be more to come."<BR/> <BR/>Your damned straight their will be. This was a corporate blunder of historical proportions. INTC beats the front door down while NVDA chops away at the back door. Well said! This tag team match will make WWF look like Sponge Bob and Patrick.<BR/><BR/>Sure, everythings fine, new platforms and on time. Looks great; as Richards, Ruinz, and Meyer rearrange the deck Chairs on the Titanic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-55785949546812000922007-06-10T19:35:00.000+00:002007-06-10T19:35:00.000+00:00I think folks need to calm down and wait for AMD t...<I> I think folks need to calm down and wait for AMD to say something - if it really is this bad they will have to say something within the next month or so, if for nothing else then to prep Wall Street (and avoid a stock price crash). </I><BR/><BR/>I think you have it all wrong. AMD has been talking and have been saying that everything is doing fine and right on schedule. The problem is their product samples and anxious customers are the ones to seem to be making contradicting noises.Roborat, Ph.Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04845879517177508741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-5699246076914616742007-06-10T17:20:00.000+00:002007-06-10T17:20:00.000+00:00"The hammer drops, Ladies and Gentilemen."Not so f...<I>"The hammer drops, Ladies and Gentilemen."</I><BR/><BR/>Not so fast. Fudzilla hasn't won any Pulitzer's yet.<BR/><BR/>Laying off former ATI employees has nothing to do with Barcelona per se. It has more to do with AMD taking on another company at the worst competitive time in its history, with a less than impressive product portfolio. AMD is being attacked by Intel on one side and NVDA on the other. Two battlegrounds to fight.<BR/><BR/>Good luck to them - this will not be the first such action coming out of DAAMIT. There will be more to come.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-92124349737490456042007-06-10T17:08:00.000+00:002007-06-10T17:08:00.000+00:00So much for the the smoke and mirror campaign cons...So much for the the smoke and mirror campaign conserning Barcelona during the past nine months. Secrecy, Power Point launches,delays, et al.<BR/><BR/>The hammer drops, Ladies and Gentilemen.<BR/><BR/> http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1402&Itemid=1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-86438379332239819572007-06-10T07:30:00.000+00:002007-06-10T07:30:00.000+00:00"If the rumors about the B0 stepping being broken ..."If the rumors about the B0 stepping being broken are true then it'll be another quarter for CPUs to be shipped to the OEMs and distis - let's say that is September, best case.<BR/><BR/>It looks like they will miss the xmas shopping season."<BR/><BR/><BR/>I think folks need to calm down and wait for AMD to say something - if it really is this bad they will have to say something within the next month or so, if for nothing else then to prep Wall Street (and avoid a stock price crash). If it is on time and working well, AMD will also need to say something soon to avoid people who might jump ship shortly based on the numerous rumors.<BR/><BR/>Remember INQ is the site that published MORE THAN ONE article on reverse hyperthreading (I can forgive one article, but when you are posting something incorrect multiple times than that to me indicates laziness and the lack of desire/care to get things right)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2602471396566186819.post-43321023089432757522007-06-09T15:46:00.000+00:002007-06-09T15:46:00.000+00:00Nebojsa at the Inq thinks Computex was a "debacle"...Nebojsa at the Inq thinks Computex was a "debacle" for AMD.<BR/><BR/>http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40221<BR/><BR/>If the rumors about the B0 stepping being broken are true then it'll be another quarter for CPUs to be shipped to the OEMs and distis - let's say that is September, best case.<BR/><BR/>It looks like they will miss the xmas shopping season.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com